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   Posted 11/10/2011 6:21 PM (GMT +8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Before we start, lets read the skill description

-Press "K" to open the skill tab
-Mouse over any row of skills (the icon is good enough; the arrow to increase the skill grade will show the skill tab for the next grade)
-Look for anything that says "Type:DeBuff"  or "Type:Normal", or "Type:Limit"
-For normal classes, it's unlikely to see "Type:Buff", but some extreme build and the gunner build has it


Now we know the type of buffs Ran online has.


-For normal classes, try buffing yourself. You will notice the "green tick" on top of your name. That is the "Normal" type buff.
-For gunner class, try buffing "Lightspeed" or "Secure Atmosphere", or ask any pow gunner to buff "Body Shell" so that you will get a "Buff" type buff. Which on top of your name will appear the "blue up" icon
-Try getting attacked by a dex gunner. You will get a "grey down" icon representing a "Debuff" type buff
-Try getting yourself lock pot or lock skill by a pow gunner. You will get a "red lightning" icon on top of your name. This is the "Limit" type buff.
-Buff potion will give a "Buff" type buff too.


To remove the buffs, there are 4 debuffs for the pow gunner to use
Lvl 47 Bomb Burst -> removes Buff type
Lvl 67 Relief Bomb -> removes Normal type
Lvl 87 Light Therapy -> removes Debuff type
Lvl 147 Break -> removes Limit type
The skill grade for the skills determine the cooldown of the skill, not the success rate, in which it's always 100%, unless you missed.

Which brings to....


Why pow gunner debuff is IMBA for abuse and also a proof that the normal class in "bugged" while the gunner buffs are all "non-bugged"?
For EC, the buff type is "normal". Guess what skill to use to cancel the buff? Lvl 67 Relief Bomb
So, a pow gunner can spam this to any lvling party to remove all the buffs, thus disrupting their lvling process, without ever ZP anyone. Heck, you can do this even in non-PK channel.
May I wish to interpret that, Lvl 67 Relief Bomb is an OBSCENE and OFFENSIVE skill. It even removes JG, EVA, and other self buffs that you have as a normal class. Note that due to gunner buff type is "Buff", they're not affected.

May I suggest that any pow gunner that debuff a lvling party in a non PK channel will be considered a KS.

But...

Why are gunner class not affected and only normal class affected by this?


Turns out.... this is a bug. Let me reiterate the definition of the buff types:
Buff : To give defensive or offensive attribute bonuses
Normal : To give a neutral or negative attribute bonuses exclusive of dex gunners
Debuff : The specialized buff type for the dex gunner to give negative attribute bonuses
Limit : The specialized buff type for the pow gunner so that our tactical advantages are affected

So, do you "buff" your party members with Relief Bomb? Or do you debuff your party members with "Relief Bomb"?


The game thinks that you "Buff" your party members with "Relief Bomb", not the other way around.

The reason? The "normal" buff of the normal classes. They should be re categorized to a "Buff".

Thus, the one that needs fixing? Not the pow gunner, but the normal classes. Try reporting to the GM about this debuff abuse, and they'll say "The POW gunner debuff is functioning as intended..." Yeah right.


OK, there goes the debuff issue. How about the Limit skills like lock pot and lock skill?

Limit skills :

Lvl 87 Shadow Bomb
Lvl 117 Decoy
Lvl 167 Shocker
Lvl 197 Entangle

The other four debuff skills that is described as "Limit" won't show up above your name because it doesn't have a duration time, meaning its instantaneous effect.


To remove the lock pot and lock skill, you'll need Lvl 147 Break. Just that you need a fast hand due to short duration of the "Limit" duration. Imagine 1 second wind*w to remove the limit buff before it disappear itself.


Other than the limit remove and the debuff issue... Do you think that since buff potion gives "buff", would it mean that our 55 myrosso points for 5 buff potions disappear immediately by a single gunner pow debuff?


Think... the POW gunner is OBSCENE ans OFFENSIVE, and they are son of a "gun" to those on the receiving end of the debuff.


Note to G.M.

Why is korea server fixed, while it isn't here? I've seen evidence that it's already fixed as described by me.


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   Posted 11/10/2011 9:26 PM (GMT +8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
thx for the explanation.. finally understand that xD
but does chinese server also facing the same problem? i thought its bcuz of the translation error made by the philippines e-games that myrosso got it from since our gm so bu$y making event for their pocket rather than fixing this bug..
so we are now playing a non complete update and full or error since august and there are no news from our gm for this matter.. i call this irresponsible.
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   Posted 10/4/2012 10:27 AM (GMT +8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just quit Myrosso RAN and join RAN-World. LOL
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   Posted 10/4/2012 11:43 AM (GMT +8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
why?


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   Posted 10/5/2012 12:53 AM (GMT +8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
geez, stop bumping old post. it's 1 year old. i'm surprised because this bug should have been fixed long time ago ==


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   Posted 10/6/2012 2:21 PM (GMT +8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
wait lv147 break not just remove limite
its also remove debuff
but im not sure this on myrosso.
this skill is only for party member (you not include)

and how about tyranny buff..gunner also can remove it like buff potion?



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   Posted 10/6/2012 6:53 PM (GMT +8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
the skill confuses me.. how do you remove limit when its just 1 or 2 sec.. they should make it prevent limit =.=
i not yet play high lvl pow gunner anyway..
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   Posted 10/12/2012 4:53 AM (GMT +8)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
gunner is far abuse character.. skill, weapon, etc.. but nothing we can do..
the bug report about those skills have been deny so many time..


Why so serious?
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